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		<title>Comment on Martin Luther King Jr. Day by Art Sheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Sheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Dr. King was a great man. He along with other brave men and women, transformed American society from a fake democracy into one in which all people can participate and achieve. The miraculous aspect of his great work is that he transformed an openly racist culture into one of tolerance almost overnight and led a spiritual transformation of our nation. 
     I once met Dr. King when I was a teenager. He led a protest/picket campaign against a supermarket chain, in a community where I lived that refused to hire black teenagers as &quot;Bag boys&quot; in its stores. I was one of those teenagers. I met him after a speech he presented at a local movie theater prior to the protest campaign. I got to talk to him one on one.  I relive and retell this meeting and conversation in my book, &quot;Talking Penny.&quot; I&#039;ll never forget the words he said to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Dr. King was a great man. He along with other brave men and women, transformed American society from a fake democracy into one in which all people can participate and achieve. The miraculous aspect of his great work is that he transformed an openly racist culture into one of tolerance almost overnight and led a spiritual transformation of our nation.<br />
     I once met Dr. King when I was a teenager. He led a protest/picket campaign against a supermarket chain, in a community where I lived that refused to hire black teenagers as &#8220;Bag boys&#8221; in its stores. I was one of those teenagers. I met him after a speech he presented at a local movie theater prior to the protest campaign. I got to talk to him one on one.  I relive and retell this meeting and conversation in my book, &#8220;Talking Penny.&#8221; I&#8217;ll never forget the words he said to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Six Myths About Service Learning by Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My high school special ed class completed several service learning projects andI truly believe they learned more because their learning became relevant. It also involved interacting with others which improved social skills in addition to learning content area information. Also, for once, they were on the giving side instead of the receiving side, which helped put their disabilities in perspective. I highly recommend service learning for all students!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My high school special ed class completed several service learning projects andI truly believe they learned more because their learning became relevant. It also involved interacting with others which improved social skills in addition to learning content area information. Also, for once, they were on the giving side instead of the receiving side, which helped put their disabilities in perspective. I highly recommend service learning for all students!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student-created video for NCCE closing keynote by Chris Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to see students allowed to make real contributions while simultaneously gaining some great experience! I bet it was very rewarding for them. :-)

I read about a school once that completely replaced their technology staff with their computer science students. One student even took initiative and wrote a program for teachers to more easily submit tech problems! Here&#039;s the article if anyone&#039;s interested:

http://oslookup.org/python/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to see students allowed to make real contributions while simultaneously gaining some great experience! I bet it was very rewarding for them. <img src='http://blog.genyes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I read about a school once that completely replaced their technology staff with their computer science students. One student even took initiative and wrote a program for teachers to more easily submit tech problems! Here&#8217;s the article if anyone&#8217;s interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://oslookup.org/python/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://oslookup.org/python/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.pdf');" rel="nofollow">http://oslookup.org/python/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten commandments of school tech support by Ten commandments of school tech support &#124; Technology Bits Bytes &#38; Nibbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ten commandments of school tech support &#124; Technology Bits Bytes &#38; Nibbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martinez of Generation Yes Blog    Posted in General &#124; Tags: Tech Support   &#171; 8 Tools to Track Your Footprints on the Web   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Martinez of Generation Yes Blog    Posted in General | Tags: Tech Support   &laquo; 8 Tools to Track Your Footprints on the Web   [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on TEDxNYED &#8211; the role of new media and technology in education by Chris Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for the heads up! What a great way to start off the spring break! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the heads up! What a great way to start off the spring break! <img src='http://blog.genyes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizenship is a verb by Chris Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia,
Agreed. As Barry Schwartz once said, &quot;We don&#039;t trust the judgment of teachers enough to let them loose on their own. ... [Rules] are insurance policies against disaster, and they prevent disaster - but what they ensure in its place, is mediocrity.&quot; That&#039;s exactly what we get too, when we restrict the freedoms of teachers and students. Joe Bower wrote a great post about teacher and student autonomy recently (http://www.joebower.org/2010/01/teachers-intent.html), if anyone&#039;s interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia,<br />
Agreed. As Barry Schwartz once said, &#8220;We don&#8217;t trust the judgment of teachers enough to let them loose on their own. &#8230; [Rules] are insurance policies against disaster, and they prevent disaster &#8211; but what they ensure in its place, is mediocrity.&#8221; That&#8217;s exactly what we get too, when we restrict the freedoms of teachers and students. Joe Bower wrote a great post about teacher and student autonomy recently (<a href="http://www.joebower.org/2010/01/teachers-intent.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.joebower.org/2010/01/teachers-intent.html');" rel="nofollow">http://www.joebower.org/2010/01/teachers-intent.html</a>), if anyone&#8217;s interested.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizenship is a verb by Sylvia Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
I don&#039;t know that there is ever a &quot;biggest hurdle&quot; - Ann would probably agree that there are many facets to this issue. And certainly it varies from classroom to classroom, building to building, etc.

The answer I keep coming back to is similar to yours, though, it&#039;s about agency. There must be more trust given to both teachers and students to make choices about their own teaching and learning. Yes I know we run the risk of some people making poor choices. But the fear of poor choices creates a system that fails everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
I don&#8217;t know that there is ever a &#8220;biggest hurdle&#8221; &#8211; Ann would probably agree that there are many facets to this issue. And certainly it varies from classroom to classroom, building to building, etc.</p>
<p>The answer I keep coming back to is similar to yours, though, it&#8217;s about agency. There must be more trust given to both teachers and students to make choices about their own teaching and learning. Yes I know we run the risk of some people making poor choices. But the fear of poor choices creates a system that fails everyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizenship is a verb by Chris Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the article, so I&#039;m commenting again. I think I actually disagree with Anne Collier that the biggest hurdle for teaching digital competency is net filters. I think the overly strict net filters are just a symptom of a deeper problem: most teachers can&#039;t claim net safety, ethics, and security as a skill they have - and even many that have read about it abstractly aren&#039;t speaking form first-hand experience. I think that&#039;s what causes anxiety as students use tools teachers don&#039;t know how to deal with, which in turn, leads to strict net filters.

Before anyone suggests more professional development seminars and tech-focused conferences though, let me say that I think these are just band-aids for a problem that&#039;s only getting worse. We can keep trying to educate teachers for the recent past, but students need to learn for their future. I think teachers CAN catch up though and help students build the skills they need.

First of all, I think we need to show teachers how to direct their own learning (as many already do), and place the expectation on them that they never stop learning. Many even want to keep learning though, but simply can&#039;t dedicate the time to it. Which brings me to my second point.

To give teachers their time back and empower students to learn beyond the limits of any individual teacher, we have to also show students how to direct their own learning, letting them choose how, when, from whom, and often what they learn. Then teachers can spend more of their time learning themselves, and helping students in ways they&#039;re uniquely qualified for, like inspiring students, helping them identify problems, and finding resources to help them make it over that next hurdle. I don&#039;t think this would be a hard sell for teachers either. It&#039;s a significant cultural shift, but I think this is what we all, as educators, really WANT to spend our time on. It&#039;s what we got into the profession for.

What do you all think? Is this the real problem? If it is, are these steps sufficient to overcome it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the article, so I&#8217;m commenting again. I think I actually disagree with Anne Collier that the biggest hurdle for teaching digital competency is net filters. I think the overly strict net filters are just a symptom of a deeper problem: most teachers can&#8217;t claim net safety, ethics, and security as a skill they have &#8211; and even many that have read about it abstractly aren&#8217;t speaking form first-hand experience. I think that&#8217;s what causes anxiety as students use tools teachers don&#8217;t know how to deal with, which in turn, leads to strict net filters.</p>
<p>Before anyone suggests more professional development seminars and tech-focused conferences though, let me say that I think these are just band-aids for a problem that&#8217;s only getting worse. We can keep trying to educate teachers for the recent past, but students need to learn for their future. I think teachers CAN catch up though and help students build the skills they need.</p>
<p>First of all, I think we need to show teachers how to direct their own learning (as many already do), and place the expectation on them that they never stop learning. Many even want to keep learning though, but simply can&#8217;t dedicate the time to it. Which brings me to my second point.</p>
<p>To give teachers their time back and empower students to learn beyond the limits of any individual teacher, we have to also show students how to direct their own learning, letting them choose how, when, from whom, and often what they learn. Then teachers can spend more of their time learning themselves, and helping students in ways they&#8217;re uniquely qualified for, like inspiring students, helping them identify problems, and finding resources to help them make it over that next hurdle. I don&#8217;t think this would be a hard sell for teachers either. It&#8217;s a significant cultural shift, but I think this is what we all, as educators, really WANT to spend our time on. It&#8217;s what we got into the profession for.</p>
<p>What do you all think? Is this the real problem? If it is, are these steps sufficient to overcome it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizenship is a verb by Chris Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post and very well put! Especially those last 3 sentences - I&#039;m keeping that quote. It makes no sense to shield students from a world we want them to function in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post and very well put! Especially those last 3 sentences &#8211; I&#8217;m keeping that quote. It makes no sense to shield students from a world we want them to function in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tinkering and Technology by Peter Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been using computer technology in one way or another for 20 years before I took any formal courses. All I learned in that time was from tinkering. I really only started taking courses when it became necessary to have pieces of paper to prove my knowledge and skills. I know of kids on our middle school GenYes team that are on the same road. One is well on the way to teaching himself AppleScript essentially by trial and error and reverse engineering the sample scripts that came with his laptop. 

I wish I could encourage the same approach with more people in my district, especially the adults. I find that there is often an expectation for step-by-step training on any technical task that is being asked of teachers. There are a few who, once pointed in the right direction, will take off and figure things out for themselves, but they are definitely the minority. Many of the rest expect descriptions down to the level of each mouse click, and if the process later deviates at all from the training, they tend to be on the phone for support. When I look at the approach to teaching technology of the two groups, I see the same pattern reflected. The minority group are willing to give kids general guidelines and let them figure things out, providing help and guidance as needed. The majority expect to have to give kids the same direction, down to the most minute level, that they would want themselves. 

If I were a student in a classroom where the latter approach was in use, I would be a behavior nightmare! At a minimum, I would be constantly jumping ahead, and would probably miss things as a result. Beyond that, I&#039;d probably go looking for more interesting things to do with my computer, which would likely not go over well.

On the other hand, I recognize that the tinkering approach cannot be the sole solution. I know from my own tinkering that sometimes the result is understanding that can resemble swiss cheese - lots of random holes. Sometimes bricolage leads to ways of doing things that, while they may work, may not be the most elegant or efficient way of getting the particular job done. Sometimes they create bigger problems down the road. Example: ten years ago I taught myself Filemaker Pro and built some pretty complex databases for my district. I&#039;ve since worked with FMP developers who&#039;ve sometimes told me &quot;sure that works, but you&#039;d save yourself a big headache and a ton of work if you did it this way instead.&quot;

Another example is internet research. Kids figure out quickly how to search using Google, and can tinker with their search strings to get some refinement. However, after that they can really benefit from more formal instruction on how to do the research process effectively. The result will be that they spend less time on searching and get more effective results, as well as improved critical thinking skills.

We need to recognize the value of tinkering as an approach, but at the same time ensure that we provide the means to find and fill in the &quot;holes&quot; it sometimes leaves. That kind of support is where the skilled teacher becomes absolutely vital to the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been using computer technology in one way or another for 20 years before I took any formal courses. All I learned in that time was from tinkering. I really only started taking courses when it became necessary to have pieces of paper to prove my knowledge and skills. I know of kids on our middle school GenYes team that are on the same road. One is well on the way to teaching himself AppleScript essentially by trial and error and reverse engineering the sample scripts that came with his laptop. </p>
<p>I wish I could encourage the same approach with more people in my district, especially the adults. I find that there is often an expectation for step-by-step training on any technical task that is being asked of teachers. There are a few who, once pointed in the right direction, will take off and figure things out for themselves, but they are definitely the minority. Many of the rest expect descriptions down to the level of each mouse click, and if the process later deviates at all from the training, they tend to be on the phone for support. When I look at the approach to teaching technology of the two groups, I see the same pattern reflected. The minority group are willing to give kids general guidelines and let them figure things out, providing help and guidance as needed. The majority expect to have to give kids the same direction, down to the most minute level, that they would want themselves. </p>
<p>If I were a student in a classroom where the latter approach was in use, I would be a behavior nightmare! At a minimum, I would be constantly jumping ahead, and would probably miss things as a result. Beyond that, I&#8217;d probably go looking for more interesting things to do with my computer, which would likely not go over well.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I recognize that the tinkering approach cannot be the sole solution. I know from my own tinkering that sometimes the result is understanding that can resemble swiss cheese &#8211; lots of random holes. Sometimes bricolage leads to ways of doing things that, while they may work, may not be the most elegant or efficient way of getting the particular job done. Sometimes they create bigger problems down the road. Example: ten years ago I taught myself Filemaker Pro and built some pretty complex databases for my district. I&#8217;ve since worked with FMP developers who&#8217;ve sometimes told me &#8220;sure that works, but you&#8217;d save yourself a big headache and a ton of work if you did it this way instead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another example is internet research. Kids figure out quickly how to search using Google, and can tinker with their search strings to get some refinement. However, after that they can really benefit from more formal instruction on how to do the research process effectively. The result will be that they spend less time on searching and get more effective results, as well as improved critical thinking skills.</p>
<p>We need to recognize the value of tinkering as an approach, but at the same time ensure that we provide the means to find and fill in the &#8220;holes&#8221; it sometimes leaves. That kind of support is where the skilled teacher becomes absolutely vital to the process.</p>
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